From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:14:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <878y84t52h.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103019321 8867 80.91.229.6 (14 Dec 2004 10:15:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 14 11:15:14 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ce9i5-0007jU-00 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:15:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ce9sE-0004U6-53 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:25:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ce9rk-0004NO-9I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:25:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ce9rh-0004KZ-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:25:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ce9rg-0004KR-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:25:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ce9hV-0008LZ-Dz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:14:37 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ce9dS-0001xI-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:10:26 -0500 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Per Abrahamsen's message of "Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:03:23 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31100 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31100 Per Abrahamsen writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> Is there some drawback that we'd have to encounter if things like >> the Elisp manual were dual-licenced GPL and GFDL? > > I believe in general documentation for free software should be > (dual) licensed with the same license as the software itself, it > makes it much easier to move stuff between them. Actually, you can't move from GPLed code into dual-licenced stuff without having to forego the second licence, unless you are the copyright holder. However, in the case of the Elisp manual, this would at least be an improvement for non-copyright holders as opposed to not being allowed to distribute the manual at all after moving GPLed code into it. > Like reusing good code comments and doc string in the manual, Which could be done only by the copyright holder unless one would give up the non-GPLed licence option. > reusing parts of the manual as doc strings or comments, Yes, that part would be important. > or even embedding sections from the manual in the code (like using a > manual section as the basis for one of the "assistants" Lars talked > about). This too. I mean, having the manual available as hyperlinked infopages actually _makes_ it pretty much an integral part of Emacs. And for this purpose, it really should have a GPL-compatible licence. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum