From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never). Date: 08 May 2004 13:35:33 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87hdvux5uz.fsf@orebokech.com> <87lll6v514.fsf@orebokech.com> <200404100109.KAA03816@etlken.m17n.org> <20040501232151.GA10382@fencepost> <16533.14869.127534.911979@nick.uklinux.net> <0376DAE8-9D35-11D8-A4DF-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084016292 16977 80.91.224.253 (8 May 2004 11:38:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org, nick@nick.uklinux.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, storm@cua.dk, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat May 08 13:38:03 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BMQ9b-0007Y8-00 for ; Sat, 08 May 2004 13:38:03 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BMQ9a-0001jq-00 for ; Sat, 08 May 2004 13:38:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BMQ8i-0000ME-Dy for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 08 May 2004 07:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BMQ7r-0000LJ-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 May 2004 07:36:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BMQ7L-0000HS-Ho for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 May 2004 07:36:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BMQ7L-0000HO-8i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 May 2004 07:35:43 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BMQ7E-0000OH-39; Sat, 08 May 2004 07:35:36 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Lines: 45 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22936 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22936 "Jan D." writes: > > Should the icons for the toolbar be updated for this release? > > When running on Gnome, it would be an advantage if Emacs used > > the same icons as other Gnome/GTK applications. I think Emacs > > now use GTK 1.2 icons. We could just convert the GTK 2.x > > icons to xpm. > > > > I think that someone drew us new icons for Emacs, but I don't > > remember if they ever got installed, nor where to find them now. > > I've put up some pictures at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/jhdns/ so > you can view them easily. There where two suggestions, Daniel > Pfeiffer made changes to the speedbar icons, and someone whos name > escapes me (jefbed) made Gnome icons in xpm formats. None of these > are installed in CVS. > > The speedbar icons where marginally preferred by me and Miles Bader, > I don't think there where any other comments. The Gnome icons where > not commented much either. The speedbar icon changes are marginal, mainly being less glaring (which is not the worst idea, considering that they are merely indicators beside the main text). With the other icons, the changes are more significant: one thing that is apparent is that they are done with much more focus on getting them to rasterize well. With the exception of the scissor, I consider them a definite improvement. I am not sure the "help" icon is an improvement. The "?" icon is just that, iconic, whereas the life-saver ring looks like a pretty toy at first sight. But in general, I don't think it worth the trouble to do an Emacs-only policy for single icons: such details should rather be discussed upstream; they are not Emacs-specific. > I slightly prefer the new icons, but it is not that much of a > difference. I do think we should change though. Agreed. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum