From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key binding M-g should really be goto-line Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87y8cx4b3e.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1110375438 10724 80.91.229.2 (9 Mar 2005 13:37:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , "Jari Aalto+mail.emacs" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 14:37:17 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D91Lb-0007ol-I6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:35:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D91aH-0001gK-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:50:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D91Yo-000139-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:49:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D91Yj-00010u-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:49:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D91Yh-0000y6-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:49:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D914S-0007wK-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:17:52 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D914Q-0007PZ-VY; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:17:51 -0500 Original-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:47:27 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34374 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34374 Miles Bader writes: >> My proposal for an C-x ` alternative would be C-x ? which appears to >> be free at the moment. ? is a frequent character in all languages I >> know, and so it should be more accessible than ` on most keyboards. >> It also is connotated with "error" somewhat. > > That's really no better than C-x ` so what's the point (the "also > connotated with error" thing is so tenuous as to be worthless)? As a user of an American keyboard, you would not understand. On almost all keyboards of the world, getting ` is at best tedious, at worst impossible or at least error-prone, usually yielding an accent instead of a backquote. For example, on a German keyboard you get ` by typing Shift-= SPC (where = means the American position for =), so the whole sequence becomes C-x Shift-= SPC. On a French keyboard, it is Right-Alt-7. And so on. > Either we should change it to something good, or just leave it as is > until the next release. For most languages of the world, ` is one heck of a nuisance. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum