Re: Options menu

[David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>]

"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Cc: "Lennart Borgman" <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se>,
>> 	  emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
>> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:24:34 +0100
>> 
>> > When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the
>> > changed menu-bar structure, even though the new structure was
>> > generally better, certainly more standard-compliant, and had many
>> > useful additions.  Still, they complained.  There's a lesson to be
>> > learned here, IMHO: significant changes in the menu bar should only
>> > be done for a very good reason.
>> 
>> Uh, Eli?  Reality check.  The last released menu structure is from the
>> year 2001 or so.
>
> It was redesigned in 2001, but it was last released just a few weeks
> ago, with Emacs 21.4.

I just took a look at Emacs 21.4 and noticed that it indeed is quite
similar to what we have now except for a few additions (New file,
Hide/Show, Blinking Cursor, CUA mode and some others).  Somehow I was
of the opinion that the big redesign happened post-21.1.

>> No matter _what_ we will release next, it will have significant
>> changes all over the board.
>
> Not in the menu-bar's menu structure, AFAIK.
>
>> Consistency and cleanliness _are_ good reasons.
>
> Apparently, not good enough for quite a few users.  That was what I
> was trying to tell above, obviously with no success.

Well, since Hide/Show is an addition since the last release, renaming
it to "Appearance" would not be a compatibility consideration.  And
moving blink-cursor-mode inside of it would make the menu _more_
similar to what we had previously.

>> the current structure _is_ already completely dissimilar to the
>> last released one.
>
> Unless I miss a lot of changes, I don't see how the current CVS is
> ``completely dissimilar'' to v21.4 as far as the menu bar is
> concerned.  The changes are quite small.

You are correct.  Sorry for being confused about that.

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