From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:43:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112276801 24899 80.91.229.2 (31 Mar 2005 13:46:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@glug.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 31 15:46:36 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DGzyo-0007aR-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:45:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DH0FW-0001N7-9T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DH0Ec-000115-Be for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:01:22 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DH0EY-0000zk-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:01:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DH0EX-0000ye-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:01:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DGzxr-0004Lg-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:44:03 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DGzxY-0002Rx-1u; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:43:44 -0500 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:59:08 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35427 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35427 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> For now, please let's focus on fixing bugs, >> not on small improvements. > Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: [...] >> what do you propose for the presentation format, based on these >> conditions and elements? > > Is this really a _very important improvement_? > > Why is this _more important_ than reporting sensible menu bindings? It was a reaction due to actual user feedback about a perceived shortcoming, so its relative importance _could_ be argued. But I would strongly suggest that we don't start down this track. Arguing about features just on their own is already taking too much energy on our list. If we start the pastime of trying to achieve a complete ordering of importance, we won't get anywhere at all. It's bad enough as it is. Kim, I am obviously supportive of your patch for the sake of our users, which is hardly surprising since I seem to remember it was due to a proposal of mine, and I don't agree with (actually find it hard to understand) Richard's assessment of its irrelevancy. But a perceived shortcoming in one issue should not be used for blocking progress in other areas. We not only block progress that way, but we also poison the atmosphere. This is not, as it may seem at times, a competition. I know that I may appear at fault in that respect at times. If one has a strong opinion about something, it is hard to accept that others may see it as mostly irrelevant. We are all trying to make Emacs the best that is possible, after all. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum