From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <878y84t52h.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <01c4e091$Blat.v2.2.2$b6626d00@zahav.net.il> <847aaaf20412122248663630aa@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102932466 6972 80.91.229.6 (13 Dec 2004 10:07:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 13 11:07:37 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cdn7A-0003dP-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:07:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdnHG-0000CN-LQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:18:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdnF6-0008Ll-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:15:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdnF2-0008Kx-4v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:15:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdnF1-0008Kh-FO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:15:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cdn4u-0008CC-6t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:05:16 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cdn0x-0000A4-V9; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:01:12 -0500 Original-To: Brian Palmer In-Reply-To: <847aaaf20412122248663630aa@mail.gmail.com> (Brian Palmer's message of "Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:48:43 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31064 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17439 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31064 Brian Palmer writes: > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:22:14 +0000 (UTC), Robert J. Chassell > wrote: >> Evidentally, I have not been clear. Nothing in this thread that I >> said should have suggested that interest from independent >> publishers drives the use of the GFDL with regard to the elisp >> reference manual. >> >> Instead, I have tried to say that the goal is to persuade others to >> choose the GFDL over a `Creative Commons license with a commercial >> restriction' or similar license. The GFDL is better. > > If using the GFDL on the emacs manual is as a persuasive example > rather than to benefit the emacs project directly with the > restrictions of the GFDL, why wouldn't licensing it both under the > GPL and as GFDL serve the same purpose? Because it still is impossible to move GPLed material into a manual that is supposed to be dual-licenced under the GPL and the GFDL, for anyone except the copyright holder on the GPLed software? It would solve some problems with Debian et al, in that their guidelines would then permit them to distribute Emacs including its manuals under the GPL: so those usages where the manual is not actually intended to go into print are covered. It would also mean that a publisher wanting to print the Emacs manual under the GFDL might have to get it from the FSF even though he might have a Debian CD flying around (if patches to the manual are done GPL-only). And it might cause derived versions of the Emacs manual around that are not publishable under the GFDL. Really, we need a version of the GPL that applies tolerably well to manuals... -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum