From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:59:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87llc49kn1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102881610 14013 80.91.229.6 (12 Dec 2004 20:00:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 12 21:00:04 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdZsx-0005W6-00 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:00:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cda31-0005q3-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:10:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cda2t-0005pu-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:10:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cda2s-0005pZ-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cda2s-0005pP-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CdZsK-0008MD-Sh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:59:25 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CdZoS-0001Kw-K5; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:55:25 -0500 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: (Robert J. Chassell's message of "Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:43:59 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31039 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17425 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31039 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > > To enable the FSF to be a `do what we do organization' rather than a > > `don't do what we do, do what we say' organization. > > a) what precise purpose does the GFDL achieve for the GNU Emacs manual > that is not achieved by it being under the GPL (your explanation is > mostly about the contrast to Public Domain and/or BSD)? > > To be a `do what we do, not a do what we say' organization. How does this hand-waving address the difference between GPL and GFDL? Anyway, if the GPL (probably when combined with special exceptions) does not deal satisfactorily with the problems arising in production of tangible goods such as boxes with embedded controllers and printed manuals, then it would be best if GPL version 3 would be written in a manner that would not necessitate placing Texinfo manuals and similar material tightly coupled to GPLed code under any incompatible licence. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum