From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:10:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111439477 18867 80.91.229.2 (21 Mar 2005 21:11:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 21 22:11:16 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDUAW-0003su-50 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:10:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDURg-00051w-7a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDUQg-0004jL-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:27:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDUQd-0004hx-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:27:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDUQd-0004gb-J5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:27:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDUAF-000292-2d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:10:19 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDUAA-0006ZU-AN; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:10:18 -0500 Original-To: ttn@glug.org In-Reply-To: (Thien-Thi Nguyen's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:50:14 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34916 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34916 Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:44:37 +0100 > > ! Emacs Tutorial Learn-by-doing tutorial (in many languages) > ! for using Emacs efficiently. > > how about: > > Emacs Tutorial: bg, cn, cs, de, en, es, fr, it, ja, ko, nl, pl, pt_BR, > ro, ru, sk, sl, sv, th, zh > > this is explicit, does not require understanding "in many > languages", and can be machine maintained, in addition to taking two > lines. i'm sure someone will find a way to work animated flag > images and clickable widgets into this idea, that's the problem w/ > creative programmers... I am afraid that the character version is not going to appeal to the non-geek who probably never has heard of things like "sk". However, the clickable widget idea has merit, a tooltip with the full language name would help quite a bit, and the flag idea definitely is a very good idea: it is an eye-catcher, and usually pretty moron-accessible. Giving the tutorial a non-textual click&drool appeal and associative value might really be what is needed to get people to click there. So where do we get copyright-free flag icons? If they are the official design, they should usually not be copyrightable in the first place, I'd guess. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum