From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: latin-ltx.el: german and french quotation marks Date: 07 May 2004 18:36:47 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083949219 25353 80.91.224.253 (7 May 2004 17:00:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 07 19:00:07 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BM8hj-0007Wu-00 for ; Fri, 07 May 2004 19:00:07 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BM8hi-0003zB-00 for ; Fri, 07 May 2004 19:00:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BM8Z6-0006jC-Hx for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BM8Ym-0006dM-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:50:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BM8YF-0006Qk-41 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BM8LB-0002se-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BM8LB-00059W-0e; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:36:49 -0400 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Lines: 34 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22909 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22909 Stefan Monnier writes: > >> From the current, changed leim/quail/latin-ltx.el: >=20 > > ("\\glqq" ?=E2=80=9E) ("\"`" ?=E2=80=9E) > > ("\\grqq" ?=E2=80=9C) ("\"'" ?=E2=80=9C) > > ("\\flq" ?=E2=80=B9) > > ("\\frq" ?=E2=80=BA) > > ("\\flqq" ?=C2=AB) ("\"<" ?=C2=AB) > > ("\\frqq" ?=C2=BB) ("\">" ?=C2=BB) > > ) >=20 > > The last time I looked "\"`" was a string starting with a double > > quote, not with a backslash. To start with a backslash, you'd have > > to write "\\\"`" to start the string off with a backslash. >=20 > Oops, that's a bug. No, it's clearly intentional. After all, the convention of the german babel option _is_ to have "` and "' be converted to German quote characters. It would be the right thing to do if not a) non-Germans also tended to use the style b) it did not actually shadow valid uses of " The _right_ thing to do would be to _add_ a German-specific encoding variant that would add _all_ shortcuts starting with " like "a "o "s and of course also "` and "'. Then German users could either work without the German-specific shortcut sequences, or choose to use _all_ of them consistently. --=20 David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum