From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:06:40 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098824850 24629 80.91.229.6 (26 Oct 2004 21:07:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 26 23:07:20 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMYXH-0004s4-00 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:07:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMYez-0007H4-HZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:15:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMYem-0007Ge-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:15:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMYel-0007GK-1K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMYek-0007GB-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMYWg-00011m-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMYW8-0005xZ-HK; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:06:08 -0400 Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:55:25 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28995 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28995 "Drew Adams" writes: > 3. Time-delay - Without having tried the time-delay implementation, > my guess is that it would be an acceptable solution. The longer > delay should be used for the less common behavior in Emacs - and for > the behavior that is less common (inexistant?) outside of Emacs. > > IOW, the normal, short click behavior of mouse-1 should be to follow >a link (or to click a button); the longer "click" should set point or >drag or whatever within the link text. As far as an action button (or >an active image or image map) is concerned, I see little reason for >this exceptional mouse-1 behavior there; such behavior should be >reserved for links - which is one more reason that the long "click" >should _not_ be the link-follow action. I have given some reasons. Another is that if "nothing happens", people will click longer in order to get the "I really mean it!" message across. This "Damn it computer, do what I mean" approach that makes people figure out themselves how this is done does not work when the short click follows links. Some other programs offer you the possibility to stop some action from actually happening from a click or drag if you press ESC (or C-g?) before releasing the button. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum