From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:13:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200504020351.j323ppS16391@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16974.11752.332998.125628@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504021346.j32Dk3e19471@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16978.12100.857894.861739@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504060000.j3600bm15264@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112948968 16645 80.91.229.2 (8 Apr 2005 08:29:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nickrob@snap.net.nz, teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 10:29:25 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJor2-000802-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:28:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJoQV-0003dG-7l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:01:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJoIa-0006p0-TK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:53:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJoHj-0005w3-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:52:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJo9f-0004i4-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:43:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJod3-0008Af-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJobj-0004uQ-ON; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:12:52 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:22:02 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35748 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35748 Richard Stallman writes: > There are embedded Linux systems that are most definitely not GNU, and > for example the system at > runs Linux, but not the GNU system. > > Emacs is evidently not included, nor could it run without GNU libc. > > We can't demand correctness from others with regard to GNU/Linux that > we are not willing to provide ourselves. > > I agree, but I've already explained why this is correct. > > In my opinion that should be the one that does not expose us as > hypocrites: that hurts more than anything else could... > > My statements on the matter are sincere, not hypocritical. Which is the more reason why we should avoid appearing otherwise. > You have no grounds to accuse me of dishonesty, and I take offense. I am describing how this discrepancy in accuracy must appear to others. You are blaming the messenger. If you find that description offensive, it would be sensible to try avoiding evoking it where possible, and I already gave a wording that would fit better in that regard. If you don't trust my judgment on this, feel free to ask anybody whose words you would rather rely on. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum