From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tooltips on w32 slow and strange Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:14:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <016b01c51163$45e1d630$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <16186.217.194.34.123.1108368907.squirrel@wwws.franken.de> <4210762C.9030203@gnu.org> <135420c2f94e0c4c6d3c7ffaee6faf00@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1108412153 14242 80.91.229.2 (14 Feb 2005 20:15:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Jan D." , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 14 21:15:52 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mdH-0007Jd-3d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:15:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mss-0002SB-Ao for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:31:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mqV-0001j3-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:29:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mqR-0001hH-9I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:29:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mqQ-0001fJ-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:29:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0mbw-0007gC-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:24 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0mXu-0004It-Od; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:10:15 -0500 Original-To: Ralf Angeli In-Reply-To: (Ralf Angeli's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:33 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33419 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33419 Ralf Angeli writes: > * Jan D. (2005-02-14) writes: >> >> The problem with the font is that Emacs doesn't support anti >> aliased fonts (yet), but GTK uses them all over, even in tool tips. > > The deficiencies you just mentioned pretty much sum up my concerns > with Emacs tooltips. I don't care much about positioning, but the > difference in the font (font family, size, anti-aliasing) and color > used for tooltips alienates them from the rest of the environment. > > Ideally there shouldn't be a need to customize the appearance of > tooltips. It would be desirable if Emacs "simply" used tooltips > provided by the toolkit it was configured for (in case the toolkit > supports tooltips). This would, for example, also eliminate the > need to re-customize their appearance in case one changes the theme > of a themeable toolkit. > > But I guess there are more pressing things to do for the next > release. I agree where matters of prettiness are involved. However, where usability is concerned, where the tip interferes with the workflow, there changes should be considered. In my experience, X11 tooltips are currently fine in that regard, but the report from Windows users sounded alarming to me. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum