From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: 04 Jun 2003 15:08:09 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> <3EDDEAD1.80308@math.ku.dk> Reply-To: dak@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054763817 22782 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 21:56:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 23:56:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NgFW-0005uq-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:56:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NgXH-0008Tw-00 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:15:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Ng0p-0004Sv-6N for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:41:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Ng0N-0004QC-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Nfzz-0004Cx-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:40:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NfuY-00027H-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:35:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19NfuX-0006BI-03; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:35:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (Sx44EGZcYeeh8VVouw8A10u12SUtPAfvd1atTuGjihtOrmR3G+Qj0n@[217.80.160.71]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19NfuJ-1Mnf6n0; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:34:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h54D8A9w031284; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:08:50 +0200 Original-Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h54D89cA031280; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:08:09 +0200 Original-To: Lars Hansen In-Reply-To: <3EDDEAD1.80308@math.ku.dk> Original-Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Seen: false X-ID: Sx44EGZcYeeh8VVouw8A10u12SUtPAfvd1atTuGjihtOrmR3G+Qj0n@t-dialin.net Original-cc: Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14717 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14717 Lars Hansen writes: > Andreas Schwab wrote: > > > >You might be surprised how many GUIs support Emacs keybindings like > >C-k. > > I never intended to discuss which keybindings people should use. On > the contrary I think people should have the oppotunity to decide for > themselves. They don't have the opportunity if you don't have a) an easy way to configure keybindings manually b) an easy way to carry your keybindings around on a floppy, web site or USB stick. Just copying .emacs will not cut it, really, since that tends to contain machine-specific stuff as well. If you will lose your personal keybindings the moment you go to a different machine, there is not much point in customizing to your convenience. Should keybindings be themeable? Well, quite a few of people complain about changed bindings and other stuff on upgrades. But it would probably be impractical to cater for them too much by providing Emacs with a set of more historical keybindings. But maybe more radical keybinding redesigns that are optional might be possible. I don't know enough of, say, viper-mode, to know whether such experiments are bound to work well. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum