From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for compilation mode Date: 06 Jun 2003 17:40:02 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1054626136.3edc5158c76a4@webmail.isogmbh.de> <1054722433.3eddc981f3a4d@webmail.isogmbh.de> <1054889927.3ee057c7688fe@webmail.isogmbh.de> <1054900912.3ee082b0b4f97@webmail.isogmbh.de> Reply-To: dak@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054915944 25037 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 16:12:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 18:12:20 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OJoF-0006P7-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:11:19 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19OK6r-00024v-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:30:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OJj7-0000bI-Gh for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:06:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OJSK-0004fH-34 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:48:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OJLq-0001Tu-EE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OJKG-0000wW-HT; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19OJKF-0004Q7-04; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:40:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (ZZR9kkZdoeHtPG5tBD5qm3YIro6vJij8SL2B+3Lyfwrk+ND-BgtAUU@[62.226.11.179]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19OJK9-1AhEdk0; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:40:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h56Fe7tf003093; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:40:08 +0200 Original-Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h56Fe2N4003089; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:40:03 +0200 Original-To: Stephan Stahl In-Reply-To: <1054900912.3ee082b0b4f97@webmail.isogmbh.de> Original-Lines: 45 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Seen: false X-ID: ZZR9kkZdoeHtPG5tBD5qm3YIro6vJij8SL2B+3Lyfwrk+ND-BgtAUU@t-dialin.net Original-cc: "rms@gnu.org" Original-cc: Miles Bader Original-cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14836 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14836 Stephan Stahl writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > > > Stephan Stahl writes: > > > > > If set-goal-column should be on a key maybe C-x , can be used. Thats > > > not far away from the old C-x C-n and C-x . which is directly beside > > > would be somehow similar in function (set-fill-prefix). I think we > > > should stop soon or we'll end up remapping all keys :-). > > > > Which would not be the worst thing. As I said, it would be a viable > > task for the TODO list to go through the existing, historically grown > > keymappings with a fine comb, try to compare the probable usefulness > > of mappings with their mnemonic characteristics and their awkwardness > > (taking non-American keyboard layouts somewhat into mind as well) or > > Taking non-American keyboard layouts into mind seems like a very > complicated thing. It's not something you could hope to achieve completely, but there are keys that are notably difficult to type on a lot of keyboards. ` and @, for example. Not using those for the most common functionalities can help quite a bit. > I myself use a us-international layout because most others layouts i > have tried are horrible to use with applications like emacs or maybe > vi. For example the german keyboard has not two alt keys but one > alt and one altGr keys. To produce ] one would have to type > altGr-9. It is not possible to type C-] (aka ESC) on a german > keyboard because it would require both ctrl and altGr to be > pressed. C-] is not ESC, but GS. C-[ is ESC, and pressing both ctrl and altGr is quite possible on a German keyboard. > At least i never found a keyboard / operating system where > it is possible. Besides it would be very hard to hit all three keys > at once. Why would you need to do that? First you press the modifiers, then you press the key itself. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum