From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:09:34 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098367809 8542 80.91.229.6 (21 Oct 2004 14:10:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 16:09:55 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CKdda-0002kk-00 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:09:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKdl2-0003B6-4L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:17:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKdkt-0003Ad-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:17:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKdkt-0003AR-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:17:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKdkt-0003AO-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:17:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKddO-0006Ud-He for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:09:42 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKddH-00033y-A5; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:09:35 -0400 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:04:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28699 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28699 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > "Drew Adams" writes: > >> I see what you're saying. You've made it possible to follow links (and click >> buttons) using mouse-1 (in addition to using mouse-2). >> >> I really must not have made myself clear. RMS had the same misunderstanding >> as you. > > Well, common user interface practice is that clicking mouse-1 on a > link follows that link. > >> >> My point was not that using mouse-2 is not good. I think mouse-2 should >> remain the way to click links and buttons in Emacs, don't you? > > While I find this discussion of which pointer to use "amusing", IMO > using mouse-2 is a serious flaw in the emacs user interface. In Gnus, I get buttons displayed like [attachment image.jpg] I can click with the middle button to execute a default operation. What I do more frequently is click with the left button, then press a key like "o" to indicate the action. Most (but I don't think all) actions can be selected with a context menu on the right mouse button, but that also means that I have to use a mouse-based file dialog, which is far more inconvenient. It is also much faster for me to type a single letter than to drag the mouse cursor to the right menu entry. If clicking mouse-1 on the button would launch the default action, this would be far more inconvenient for me. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum