From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recent problems with `make bootstrap'. Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:29:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200412090419.iB94JYd16562@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102617023 10208 80.91.229.6 (9 Dec 2004 18:30:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 09 19:30:16 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcT3Q-0002AF-00 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:30:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTDK-0000sw-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:40:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTCq-0000sH-Kc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:40:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTCp-0000rm-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:39:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTCo-0000rU-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:39:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CcT2q-0008Kf-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:29:40 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CcSzI-0006Uf-Jq; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:26:01 -0500 Original-To: ttn@glug.org In-Reply-To: (Thien-Thi Nguyen's message of "Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:18:55 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:30947 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:30947 Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > From: Luc Teirlinck > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:19:34 -0600 (CST) > > quit wasting people's time? > > all time is wasted because all time cannot be conserved. for > example, i have just wasted some time writing `line-spacing' docs. Objection. You have _invested_ some time writing `line-spacing' docs. While you personally are not likely to get a positive return on this particular investment (even though occasionally writing docs may actually make one understand the issue at hand and save time later), you are getting a positive return of your time from other people that write other docs saving you time in other areas. This overall gain in efficiency (which is in stark contrast to you investing time to find out something about proprietary software which you can't contribute back) is one of the main arguments for the "Open Source" programmar school (yes, I know I should go wash out my mouth with Zope). It _is_ an important aspect in the context of free software, though not necessarily the most important one. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum