From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Possible change to startup.el Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:44:37 +0100 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111431256 21533 80.91.229.2 (21 Mar 2005 18:54:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 21 19:54:16 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDS2V-0007Ye-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:54:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDSJe-0006EK-2B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDSIx-00063u-KZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDSIt-00060y-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDSIq-0005yC-R2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDRtP-0000sj-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:44:48 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDRtP-0003Zk-Ef for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:44:47 -0500 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34907 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34907 --=-=-= After I had another run-in on a German-spoken Usenet group about how hard it was trying to google around for finding out about using Emacs and Emacs terminology, in particular if you were not a native speaker and so on, and getting the usual "how should I have known something like this exists" reactions after quoting the relevant German tutorial section, I would like to propose something like the following: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=diffout *** /home/tmp/emacs/lisp/startup.el 2005-03-07 17:36:10.000000000 +0100 --- /usr/local/emacs-21/share/emacs/22.0.50/lisp/startup.el 2005-03-21 19:34:06.000000000 +0100 *************** *** 1298,1304 **** Recover Session recover files you were editing before a crash Important Help menu items: ! Emacs Tutorial Learn-by-doing tutorial for using Emacs efficiently. Emacs FAQ Frequently asked questions and answers Read the Emacs Manual View the Emacs manual using Info \(Non)Warranty GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY --- 1298,1305 ---- Recover Session recover files you were editing before a crash Important Help menu items: ! Emacs Tutorial Learn-by-doing tutorial (in many languages) ! for using Emacs efficiently. Emacs FAQ Frequently asked questions and answers Read the Emacs Manual View the Emacs manual using Info \(Non)Warranty GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY --=-=-= I actually don't think that this will have any noticeable effect on people whose eyes glaze over at the first English or technical word (like "Help" in the menu bar), but it would give one a bigger clue bat with which to whack them. The disadvantage of the patch is that it makes the screen one line longer. I can't see a good way around it, except maybe dropping key phrases like "efficiently" or "learn-by-doing". -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --=-=-=--