From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:58:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87llc49kn1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20041212125027.024c6900@mail.comcast.net> <87d5xbd4it.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103195080 29686 80.91.229.6 (16 Dec 2004 11:04:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, andy@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Dec 16 12:04:31 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CetQt-0006ua-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:04:31 +0100 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGAwN1W021201; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:58:24 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGAwLXJ021194 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:58:21 -0500 Original-Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGAwL8e021193 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:58:21 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGAwKZm021181 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGAwKAo021179 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGAwKxQ021172; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CetGX-0002EH-OK; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:53:50 -0500 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:20:10 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17479 gmane.emacs.devel:31200 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31200 Richard Stallman writes: > But > personally I wish the FSF would amend the GFDL to remove the additional > encumbering restrictions, or simply rename it the GNU Documentation > License: > > "The GDL is a not-too-unfree documentation license that reserves > certain non-economic rights to authors, while perpetually > > In our judgment, it is free. If you disagree, you're entitled > to your opinion. If you want to produce a help sheet from the contents of the manual, having to include the complete invariant sections might prove prohibitive even where the scope and content of additional invariant sections has not been chosen explicitly for encumbering further distribution by a party in the middle. But of course, this has been trodded out with the Debian people already, and IIRC the GFDL does not meet their Debian Free Software Guideline, which was quite closely modeled after the FSF's idea of Software Freedom as expressed in various publications. But it leads nowhere to discuss the _name_ of the licence. The only thing that is interesting is how it is applied, and to what. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum