From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: 01 Jun 2003 21:43:58 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <4B7E1995-9468-11D7-AFEC-00039363E640@swipnet.se> Reply-To: dak@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054497317 15360 80.91.224.249 (1 Jun 2003 19:55:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 01 21:55:15 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19MYvD-0003zX-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:55:15 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19MZBU-000689-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:12:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MYuo-0007j4-UB for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:54:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MYs2-0006F6-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:51:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MYq1-0005FW-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MYkV-0002Sz-7l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:44:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19MYkS-0007TK-05; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:44:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (520018396234-0001@[62.226.12.190]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19MYkN-1NB2GWC; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:44:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h51JhxJQ014499; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:44:00 +0200 Original-Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h51JhwUE014495; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:43:58 +0200 Original-To: "Jan D." In-Reply-To: <4B7E1995-9468-11D7-AFEC-00039363E640@swipnet.se> Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net Original-cc: bob@rattlesnake.com X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14571 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14571 "Jan D." writes: > > "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > > > >> David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) wrote: > >> > >> I was giving an example for a user interface. What Emacs has > >> nowadays > >> does not really deserve that name. > >> > >> But that particular kind of user interface is not the only kind that > >> exists. Emacs provides two excellent user interfaces. > > > > No. It provides an interface to the functionality, but "user > > interface" implies something more than just the capability to manually > > edit some configuration files. Even if the format of the > > configuration files can be found in "user documentation". > > Do you mean "Graphical user interface" when you are saying "user > interface"? > If so, what you say makes some sense. No, I don't mean that. If you had bothered to read my mail to the end before replying, you would have noticed that I called the interactive binding for global-set-key an (although rather simplistic) user interface for one-time setting of keybindings, but completely lacking a way to make the keybinding persist into future sessions. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum