From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:30:27 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7ca1709813602da58a139cee58fb4c63@gmail.com> <3b9c4e2f33d37fed55f640dcafbc8d65@gmail.com> <87is31i8jq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <0ba853825b580f74347416c2c0b4a169@gmail.com> <87vf70ausz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <5b72982df8c370d3a58358de397046c8@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112902584 590 80.91.229.2 (7 Apr 2005 19:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, david.reitter@gmail.com, snogglethorpe@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 07 21:36:20 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJcmj-0005zW-ES for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:35:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJcM5-0001G4-It for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJcJ0-0006l5-E7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:04:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJcIu-0006eU-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:04:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJcIs-0006ZJ-Fx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:04:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJcil-0007vr-Un for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJchd-0005X9-Ap; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:30:09 -0400 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:26:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35707 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35707 Stefan Monnier writes: >> PS: The only problem is that those toolkits have the idiotic >> idea to enforce that the bottom of the thumb cannot go further >> than the bottom. And they enforce it by hiding the events >> corresponding to "user moves the mouse yet-further-down". > >> I can talk with the GTK developers about this. And also with the >> LessTif developers. Should I do that? > > Feel free to try, but I don't have much hope: > - The LessTif people are probably bound by compatibility. > - The Gtk people are usually bound by dogmatism. Didn't Miles in the context of "David would welcome Athena semantics even with fancy-looking scrollbars" mention that it would be possible to process the scrollbar events without even passing them into the scrollbar widgets in the first place? Looks like another reason here for thinking about that approach. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum