From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu again. Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:21:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4242D096.1050505@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111677832 29163 80.91.229.2 (24 Mar 2005 15:23:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 24 16:23:52 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUBU-0005Jo-4d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:23:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUQn-0000GA-1B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:39:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUQR-0000DO-S7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:39:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUQQ-0000Ci-BI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:39:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEUQP-0000C7-VX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:39:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DEU96-0002VA-Ht for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:21:16 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DEU96-0002lq-1B; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:21:16 -0500 Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: <4242D096.1050505@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:37:10 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35101 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35101 Jason Rumney writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >>Now anybody with half a brain should be able to figure out that since >>"this buffer" does not exist in the next Emacs session, there is >>nothing to save here. While in the long run, I don't think Emacs will >>appeal to people without the ability to think straight, it might >>perhaps be prudent to remove this particular option, which is the only >>one that only applies to "this buffer" in the Options menu, as far as >>I can see. >> >> > Its also one of the only options that I ever find the need to change > once I've set up Emacs with my preferred options. Of course. Because you can't save this "preferred option". All options that you can save usually don't need changing once you set them up. I am not arguing that the option is without use, I am just arguing that its presence in the Options menu, as a buffer-specific option, in the position it is in, is confusing. And that this confusion has been cited to me in a Usenet group as an example that Emacs does not offer a coherent user interface. The order of "Save Options" and "Customize Emacs" is presumably interchanged to make it clear to people that Customized options will not get saved. And neither is "Truncate Long Lines in this Buffer", and it is right in the middle of the options that _are_ saved. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum