From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Several suggestions for image support Date: 30 Apr 2004 15:30:29 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083335144 16802 80.91.224.253 (30 Apr 2004 14:25:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 30 16:25:24 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BJYxA-0000HS-00 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:25:24 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BJYx9-00051U-00 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:25:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJYDD-0008O6-MM for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:37:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BJYCq-0008Ll-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:37:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BJYCG-0008Dy-CC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:37:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJY6I-00074E-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:30:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BJY3p-0006AO-Ip; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:28:18 -0400 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22439 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22439 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > > what I can see without actually using it, this looks good. It > > accomplishes a lot more than what I originally asked for, but in a > > generally useful and upwards-compatible and sensible way, as far > > as I can see. > > Now we just need to have preview-latex included with CVS emacs. Not feasible at the moment: while preview-latex has a pretty limited scope of developers that would all agree to signing over the necessary stuff, its process system and a few other things pretty much are tied into AUCTeX. So unless somebody volunteers to come up with replacements for all of the locations where preview-latex relies on AUCTeX, placing preview-latex within Emacs would be useless. AUCTeX can't be placed into CVS Emacs right now because the copyright, though licenced under the GPL, is pretty much diluted over the course of 12 years or so. The principal copyright holders have partly agreed to sign papers, partly already done so, but a lot of hunting will be needed to round up every contributor, and the work is still being done. The aim is to have it acceptable into Emacs at some point of time. It is not going to happen before the next releasable Emacs state is reached AFAICS. Making preview-latex independent from AUCTeX might also be used to boost the rendering facilities of Emacs, and maybe to add graphical modes into calc and stuff. But all of this is not something for which any of the current preview-latex developers happens to have any resources available. The long-term plans are to fold preview-latex into AUCTeX some time next year to make it more generally available. Since there is nobody having time into making preview-latex an independent component from AUCTeX, this seems to be the best approach at the current point of time. So in short: getting preview-latex assigned to be placed into Emacs would not be much of a problem, but it has a dependency on AUCTeX, and assignments for that will take longer and are not guaranteed to arrive. If things come to worst, some rewriting might even be needed. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum