From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:35:09 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <86ekjkvd5d.fsf@ketchup.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098862560 3675 80.91.229.6 (27 Oct 2004 07:36:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 27 09:35:50 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMiLW-00049z-00 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:35:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMiTD-00011A-Bv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:43:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMiT4-000115-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:43:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMiT4-00010t-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:43:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMiT4-00010q-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:43:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMiKt-0002sG-KR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMiKJ-0004I8-1n; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:34:35 -0400 Original-To: Kai Grossjohann In-Reply-To: <86ekjkvd5d.fsf@ketchup.de.uu.net> (Kai Grossjohann's message of "Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:22:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:29026 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:29026 Kai Grossjohann writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> Adding a message saying "please keep the button pressed longer if you want >> to follow the link" is really not much better than adding a message that >> says "use mouse-2 if you want to follow the link". > > Both Microsoft Windows and Apple MacOS (including X, I guess) allow > you to keep the button pressed a little longer to rename, instead of > select, a file. > > So the "keep it pressed longer" action is a known one. > > Keeping the button pressed longer to edit the text where the link is > seems natural. I like this idea. It would appear that the shorter duration click here is the one that does the "simpler" action, namely selection, whereas the longer click does the action with more effect. Also the shorter click does the action that does not need to be undone if you don't like it. Anyway: if we really try modelling ourselves after other systems: in file managers and the like, one usually selects a single item (and placed point) by a single click, and executes it by a double click. I think that nobody will complain if a double click on a link will cause it to execute instead of marking a word or line. It is indeed rare that you need to mark a work from inside a link; and if you do, you can do it by normal dragging marking without much additional hassle. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum