From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Toolbar patch (OS X) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:29:32 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <5E6B6577-653A-4DCF-AC6A-10EC020C3548@gmail.com> <8764so3r5i.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <13567FE3-65CA-46AD-AAD9-80CC236E844D@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1127902013 13464 80.91.229.2 (28 Sep 2005 10:06:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 28 12:06:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKYph-00083s-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:06:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKYpf-00037y-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:06:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EKXte-0006Ne-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:06:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EKXZj-0005j5-LG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKXLr-0004o7-Kt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [133.82.132.2] (helo=mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKXJm-0002Kt-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:29:34 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC872CB6 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:29:33 +0900 (JST) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <13567FE3-65CA-46AD-AAD9-80CC236E844D@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.6 (Marutamachi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43313 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:56:53 +0100, David Reitter said: > If I only knew what works and what won't work on Classic. OK, I'll take care of that later in the case you are not certain. > By the way, I'd like to second what you wrote earlier: >> Maybe we need to consider whether there is a raison d'=EAtre of the >> Carbon port or not (with respect to version 23, not 22) before >> making further development effort for it. > One would expect that anyone interested in more advanced features > (as offered by later releases) has moved on to OS X or > GNU/Linux. Those who haven't obviously don't like upgrading. So it's > difficult to understand why Classic should be supported. As for Emacs 22, I added Mac OS Classic support because not only it was a part of the official Emacs 21 release, but also it is useful for making the Mac OS X version more stable. In my experience, Mac OS Classic is more sensitive to wrong use of (Carbon) API than Mac OS X, and actually I've found various problems through adaptation for Mac OS Classic. As for Emacs 23, the Carbon port itself might become such that "it's difficult to understand why it should be supported". From the users' point of view, it would be confusing to have two ports of Emacs that are the same version and have similar look-and-feel, provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and functional. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp