From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: macos.texi updated Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:30:43 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <8C0A68AE-EF12-4D6C-9879-D0FF3B04DE1B@mac.com> <87r7bhw2o8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1127903243 17071 80.91.229.2 (28 Sep 2005 10:27:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 28 12:27:21 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKZ9C-0004TE-Jg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:26:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKZ9B-0008K6-Sc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EKY9n-00070I-N0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:23:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EKXSA-0005AD-A8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:38:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKXLo-0004o7-79 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [133.82.132.2] (helo=mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EKXKu-0002Qx-MP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:30:45 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDA02CB6; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:30:43 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Adrian Robert In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.6 (Marutamachi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.50 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43316 Archived-At: >>>>> On 25 Sep 2005 10:20:31 -0400, Adrian Robert said: > Even in X11, while XLFD is needed at the lowest level to interact > with the windowing system, is it really necessary to expose the user > to it? In the old days when emacs-X11 was first developed, X11 > users were used to specifying fonts in ...-*-*-*-*-... fashion. > Nowadays, most apps shield them from this. Thus, maybe it's > reasonable to develop a new emacs font specification style that's > simpler, and use this even in the face code until the lowest level > where interaction w/the window system takes place? I'm not against the introduction of a new font specification style, but I think it is mainly for developers and power-users. Emacs already has a mechanism that enables users to specify fonts in a simpler way at the face level. (set-face-attribute 'default nil :family "courier" :height 130) And there is also an interactive one, i.e., M-x customize-face. > Standard emacs faces would use just "bold" and "italic" as > attributes, but users could use others specific to their systems, > which the window system code would recognize. Unrecognized > attributes are ignored or warned about. There are :width, :weight, and :slant attributes. Currently they must be selected from a fixed set, but not just "bold" and "italic" (9 levels for :width and :weight, and 5 variations for :slant). > Finally, a mechanism for ensuring some font family names are > cross-platform would be needed. One approach here would be the > time-honored "map standard postscript names to system-specific > ones": each system would have a list of its equivalent families for > "courier", "times", and so on. Another approach would be the web > method of using generic names like 'sans', 'serif', and 'fixed' in > all emacs standard faces. I think the variable `face-font-family-alternatives' would help to provide such facility. Currently, "courier" and "helv" are defined by default. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp