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From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: adrian.b.robert@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jasonr@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changes 2009-07-15/16 in branch?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:53:41 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wld47lr5ka.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1MVUC8-0003PC-Ug@fencepost.gnu.org>

>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:41:04 -0400, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> said:

>     What I'm concerning about with respect to the GNU policy is the
>     "alpha-component" (or maybe "alpha-channel" is more familiar)
>     support, which was added only for Cocoa.
>     Alpha-component/alpha-channel controls translucency of colors by
>     specifying how opaque it is.

> Is this a feature users might actually want to use?  I don't see
> what it is good for.  Can someone explain what a user might want to
> do with this?

Emacs 23 already has a frame opacity control feature whose
design/implementation is different from what I mentioned above.  I
guess this was added because they considered that some users would
want this kind of feature:

Quote etc/NEWS:

  *** Emacs can now set the frame opacity.
  The opacity of a frame can be controlled by setting the `alpha' frame
  parameter.  This only takes effect on a compositing window manager for
  the X Window System, such as Compiz, Beryl and Compiz Fusion, on Mac
  OS X, or on Windows 2000 and later versions of Windows.

  The alpha parameter should be an integer between 0 (transparent) and
  100 (opaque), or a float number between 0.0 and 1.0.  It can also be a
  cons cell (ACTIVE . INACTIVE), where ACTIVE is the opacity of an
  active frame and INACTIVE is the opacity of non-active frames.

  The variable `frame-alpha-lower-limit' defines a lower bound for the
  opacity; the default is 20.

Some find its effect unsatisfactory because it makes both foreground
and background colors translucent.  Adrian says the alpha-component
support in the NS port is superior and actually the latter can make
background translucent while keeping foreground opaque.

Actually the implementation of alpha-component support in the NS port
has some annoying glitch as I pointed out in
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-07/msg01340.html .
I think it's ridiculous to add such a feature to the release version

  * without broader discussion about the specification for such a
    general (i.e., non platform-specific) feature.
  * with a premature implementation only for a non-free platform.
  * with a risk of compatibility breakage in future.
  * with a risk of infringing the GNU policy.

				     YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
				mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-28  0:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-23 11:22 Changes 2009-07-15/16 in branch? Adrian Robert
2009-07-23 12:46 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-23 15:30   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  0:23     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-24  1:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  1:27         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-24  1:37           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  2:20             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-24  3:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  3:35                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-24  3:44                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-24  4:12                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-25  2:13                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-26  2:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-26  2:35                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-26  3:31                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-26  3:45                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-27  2:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-27  3:20                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-27 17:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-27 18:41                                   ` Clifford Wulfman
2009-07-28  4:37                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-28 13:18                                       ` Clifford Wulfman
2009-07-28 17:14                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-28 18:39                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-28 20:31                                             ` Ian Eure
2009-08-01  3:21                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-01  4:10                                                 ` Ian Eure
2009-08-01  6:28                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-02  4:44                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-28 22:05                                           ` James Cloos
2009-07-29 20:13                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-29 22:05                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-30  7:53                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-30 14:01                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-31  1:56                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-27 20:14                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-28  6:10                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
     [not found]                                     ` <EFBC3E4E-8739-4B16-8797-D9CA8BC290CD@gmail.com>
2009-07-28 20:33                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-28  0:53                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu [this message]
2009-07-28 17:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-24 19:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-29  0:22         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-29  1:12           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-29  1:18             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-29  4:48               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-29  1:29             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-24 14:34   ` Adrian Robert
2009-07-25  1:15     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-25  4:55     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-25 16:59       ` Adrian Robert
2009-07-27  2:43         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-27  3:22           ` Adrian Robert
     [not found]             ` <E1MW1sm-0000lL-4K@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-07-29 14:08               ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-07-29 17:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-30  7:35                 ` David Kastrup
2009-07-30 13:31                   ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-07-28 18:25           ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-07-29  2:34             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-29  2:41               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29  2:56                 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-07-29  3:33                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-29 20:14               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-29 20:26                 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-30 15:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-30 16:37                     ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-07-29 20:31                 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-07-30 15:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-30 16:22                     ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2009-08-01  3:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-01  7:45                         ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-01  9:36                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-02  4:43                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-02  7:06                             ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-03 16:17                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-03 20:03                                 ` CHENG Gao
2009-07-29 14:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-27  0:35 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-07-27  3:12   ` Adrian Robert
2009-07-29  3:23 ` Sean O'Rourke

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