From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stefan_Reich=F6r?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improved help from minibuffer prompts Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:35:43 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1081921045 3132 80.91.224.253 (14 Apr 2004 05:37:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 14 07:37:16 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDd5I-0004Sc-00 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:37:16 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDd5H-0003nL-00 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:37:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDd53-00005U-Sp for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:37:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BDd4t-0008KW-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:36:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BDd4H-0007VE-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:36:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BDd3s-000722-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:35:48 -0400 Original-Received: from nanni.riic.uni-linz.ac.at.riic.at (nanni.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.79]) by proxy.riic.at (8.12.7/8.12.7/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id i3E5Zi8a006514 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:35:44 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "14 Apr 2004 10:22:49 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (berkeley-unix) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS - amavis-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21615 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21615 Hi Miles! > Ah... you're right! I was completely confused about what you're > suggesting. > > You were describing a way of getting help _after_ a command has been > started, whereas what I described is a way of getting help _before_ > doing so. > > I guess both could be useful, but to address your suggestion > specifically: > > It seems like a good idea to me; the main question I have is whether > having F1 (or C-h) act differently in the minibuffer is natural for most > users or not. As the normal help-menu binding for those keys already > acts weirdly in the minibuffer -- it doesn't display the help prompt -- > maybe that suggests that it's unusual to use them in the minibuffer. I have the following use for the C-h bindings from the minibuffer: C-h b to describe the bindings I think that binding should be still accessible. I think of two possibilities to get the command help explained by me: f1 ... preferred by me - easy accessible (f1 bindings are still on the C-h map available) f1 ... One key more to type, F1 map is untouched Stefan.