From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Moreton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Trunk r117046 fails on systems with older automake Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 10:42:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <868uqh4ust.fsf@gmail.com> <83tx95zffo.fsf@gnu.org> <87y4yh72qk.fsf@igel.home> <87tx956y9c.fsf@igel.home> <864n1459hp.fsf@gmail.com> <86tx92v4zi.fsf@gmail.com> <87eh06jqkl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <53699719.8030009@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1399455796 23652 80.91.229.3 (7 May 2014 09:43:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 09:43:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 11:43:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WhyNZ-0002Om-6w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 11:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39718 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhyNW-0004kl-BL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 05:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhyNL-0004hI-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 05:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhyNB-0006ij-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 05:42:55 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58047) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhyNB-0006ic-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 05:42:45 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WhyN9-00026s-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 11:42:43 +0200 Original-Received: from uk.solarflare.com ([193.34.186.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2014 11:42:43 +0200 Original-Received: from andrewjmoreton by uk.solarflare.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2014 11:42:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: uk.solarflare.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.90 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DLojRsFLwm2OTSXhjCccPUeDNLs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171746 Archived-At: On Wed 07 May 2014, Paul Eggert wrote: > The assumption is that people building from the repository are expert enough > to use the extra development tools required, and to set up their environments > so that these extra development tools work. It shouldn't be rocket science, > and it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect development tools to be installed > correctly. This particular problem seems isolated to Windows developers and I > expect they'll work it out among themselves. This is exactly the problem - getting a working toolchain is considerably more difficult on Windows. There are several sets of incompatible toolchains, and no package manager to install anything. On other platforms (including Cygwin) this is easy. The build requires two distinct sets of tools (msys for autotools and configure, mingw for building) which live in separate locations and have different filename translation schemes from posix style naming to the underlying Windows filesystem. On Windows installing development tools correctly *is* hard. It would seems from the current issues that Eli is almost the only developer successfully building for a Windows target from trunk. AndyM