From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Max Nikulin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Texinfo reputation Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 09:51:49 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86zflglu3h.fsf@aarsen.me> <86iks47qun.fsf@gnu.org> <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> <861pys6i8z.fsf@gnu.org> <86frn645fn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32929"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 04:22:40 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tIJUm-0008Sf-0E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 04:22:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIJU2-0002C7-RB; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 22:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIJ18-0006Uh-Ai for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 21:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIJ16-0007jy-U4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 21:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tIJ14-0000pI-3q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 03:51:58 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU In-Reply-To: <86frn645fn.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 23 X-Spam_score: 2.3 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 22:21:50 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325961 Archived-At: On 02/12/2024 19:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Max Nikulin Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:00:56 +0700 >> >> Those who read .info documents may recommend e.g. pinfo. From my point >> of view, tkinfo is usually better than "info". > > Are they being developed? ISTR that someone said they were no longer > updated. I have not tried to report bugs for tkinfo (it hangs sometimes on search attempts, but I am unaware of really serious issues). It has some advantages and disadvantages in comparison to other means of reading texinfo documents. It is not perfect, but in some sense it is feature complete. I am grateful to its developers and maintainers. It is available in Debian: I was not inspired by pinfo description, so I have not tried it. It has some issue with maintenance and it has been kicked out of Debian testing. It is still available in current stable (bookworm): In my opinion, it means that texinfo docs in general and .info format in particular are becoming less useful outside of Emacs. Formatting of PDF is too rigid. HTML files are either excessively huge or uncomfortably granular with enough nodes containing just a handful lines of text. Moreover, there is a fraction of users who prefers locally installed documents. A container format like EPUB might be an option for distributing formatted documents, but the issue is decent free viewers for various platforms. It seems they must be based on almost full fledged web browser engines.