From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound.. Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:12:57 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <5xvg5sh06u.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <20020830235528.GA13207@gnu.org> <87ofbji88u.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200209021705.g82H50d07442@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209022324.g82NOoO08761@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20020903130247.GA6318@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031062396 16624 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2002 14:13:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Per Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mEQd-0004K0-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:13:15 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17mEzN-0008Lu-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mESB-0006Db-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:14:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17mEQV-00063S-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:13:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17mEQT-00062k-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mEQS-00062Q-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lothlorien [129.217.19.67]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id g83ED3801390; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:13:03 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.19.80]) by lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de id QAA12483; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix, from userid 6104) id BAA593AB91; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:12:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20020903130247.GA6318@gnu.org> (Miles Bader's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:02:47 -0400") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7384 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7384 Miles Bader writes: > It sounds more confusing for the user to have two variables which are `the > same but different' like that. I think we should be trying to make customize > _more_ of a thin UI layer on top of existing mechanisms, not less. On the one hand, it's a big task to convert all of the places where variables are used. On the one hand, it's easier to understand one variable than two. On the other hand, if you have a list of items and loading a package adds items to the list and Customize also adds items to the list, then the time when the package is loaded influences the order of items on the list, which might lead to subtle problems. This would be avoided if the Customize stuff was always searched first (because it's in an extra variable). IMHO, there are merits and demerits to either approach. I'm sure it is possible to argue for a long time which approach is the right approach. But one approach must be chosen, and that must be implemented. I think a "compromise" does not make sense in this situation. Therefore I propose that a decision be made on what shall be done, and then both camps can start to work on it, knowing that at least the second-best solution has been chosen, and the horrible alternative has been avoided :-) kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)