From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please consider emacs-unicode for pervasive changes Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:42:14 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200208090754.g797s6s11972@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200208130030.JAA26246@etlken.m17n.org> <200209030615.PAA10378@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031258540 12427 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2002 20:42:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: d.love@dl.ac.uk, handa@etl.go.jp, raeburn@raeburn.org, monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17n3SE-0003EI-00 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:42:18 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17n424-0001nk-00 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:19:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17n3Tq-00080A-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17n3SX-0007zk-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:42:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17n3SU-0007zY-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:42:36 -0400 Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17n3SU-0007zS-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:42:34 -0400 Original-Received: from lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lothlorien [129.217.19.67]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id g85KgL823590; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:42:21 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.19.80]) by lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de id WAA19265; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:42:15 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix, from userid 6104) id B4A2A3AFDE; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:42:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:03:41 -0400") Original-Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7582 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7582 Richard Stallman writes: > RMS complained about even chaneglogs getting changed, > > I recall these changes but not what caused them. Were they caused by > the emacs-unicode branch? I b0rked the ChangeLog files a couple of times. > If so, what exactly was the nature of the change that occurred? Was > the change a matter of replacing one correct iso-2022 representation > with a different but equally correct representation for the same > characters? Or was the change bigger than that? In my case, the =ED in Pavel Jan=EDk's name was changed from a Latin-2 character to a Latin-1 character. I had turned on unify-8859-on-decoding-mode. This unification is the correct behavior, I think, for unify-8859-on-decoding-mode. I turned this mode off and I haven't clobbered the file since. (AFAIK.) I tried to devise a file variable that would turn off this mode for a specific file, but the implementation of unify-8859-on-decoding-mode appears to be such that this is difficult: it uses translation tables, which are global. > but it will > certainly screw various Emacs 21 lisp/{international,language} files. > > As part of convertng Emacs to use unicode for most characters, > won't we also change these files to use unicode? So they won't > be clobbered. > Editing the non-unicode Emacs 21 files might change them, indeed. Is > this an inevitable consequence of the unification done by Unicode? If > so, we may as well just accept it, right? Yep. kai --=20 A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)