From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrate Tramp Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:29:38 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200206171631.g5HGVBM13861@aztec.santafe.edu> <200206190223.g5J2NlQ15963@aztec.santafe.edu> <5x8z5bqvxc.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200206191500.g5JF01t02039@rum.cs.yale.edu> <5xadprkl5y.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1024561844 5299 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2002 08:30:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stefan Monnier" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17KxL2-0001NM-00 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:30:44 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Kxmd-0008A3-00 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:59:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17KxKu-0002pk-00; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:30:36 -0400 Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17KxK7-0002i3-00 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:29:47 -0400 Original-Received: from lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lothlorien [129.217.19.67]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id g5K8Tib29497; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:29:44 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.19.80]) by lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de id KAA09843; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:29:38 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix, from userid 6104) id 67AA13B5E2; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:29:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: <5xadprkl5y.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> (storm@cua.dk's message of "19 Jun 2002 23:34:17 +0200") Original-Lines: 44 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5000 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5000 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > I'm probably biased, but with ido, I read file names one > character at a time, and consider a / to be a separator > between path components. With tramp, that assumption > is no longer true. Of course, I can program around > it, but I still think / is a bad choice. What's wrong > with a : ? Tramp used to use a different filename format: /r:user@host:/path/to/file I think with a method, it looked like /r:method#user@host:/path/to/file but I don't quite remember anymore. With that filename format, there were two problems: (1) On Microsoft Windows (hi, Bob :-) Emacs got easily confused between Tramp filenames and drive letters. (2) The "/r:" prefix looked like an Ange-FTP filename. On XEmacs, EFS (their equivalent of Ange-FTP) is activated quite often, so some EFS functions were advised to abstain from handling Tramp filenames. I think there was also a problem with Emacs, but I forgot what it was. With the "[]" filename format, I had problems with file-expand-wildcards (which are solved now). The lesson I learned from this is that it is very difficult to create a filename format without problems. Regardless of the choice, there will be problems somewhere. Of course, it could be just me... I'm not against trying a different filename format, but I would be really thankful if somebody else could help me test it, please. It would be useful to test it on the four combinations of Emacs/XEmacs, Unix/MS Windows. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)