From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How are Windows users supposed to print the PostScript refcards? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:23:48 +0200 Message-ID: References: <873aysl28i.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87myx0z2ht.fsf@lrde.org> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1186860265 14732 80.91.229.12 (11 Aug 2007 19:24:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:24:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 11 21:24:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IJwZP-0005uz-U8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:24:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJwZP-0006Dw-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:24:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJwZL-0006AF-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:24:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJwZK-00068f-5Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:24:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJwZK-00068T-2L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:24:14 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJwZJ-00017i-Kd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:24:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IJwZA-0000uj-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:24:04 +0200 Original-Received: from p54a94dd6.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.169.77.214]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:24:04 +0200 Original-Received: from Reiner.Steib by p54a94dd6.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:24:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p54a94dd6.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 3Phac&+dw=IZHjhua]bp}LH<*p{qzj8u+ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:76363 Archived-At: On Sat, Aug 11 2007, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I think adding *.pdf is fine (only ~ 1 MB) for a real benefit of many >> users. I didn't suggest to remove the PS versions, because on typical >> GNU/Linux systems, the PDF would be converted to PS during the >> printing process (e.g. with CUPS filters) so I'd rather keep the PS >> files. If size disk space is important, we may gzip the PS files like >> we do for *.el. Older Unix or GNU/Linux systems might not even be >> able to print PDF while they can handle PS fine. To make it more clear: I just didn't propose to remove the PS files, but I won't object. Some minor remarks... > PS files can be generated just fine on those older systems. Some refcards need special TeX variants (cs-refcard, pl-refcard). But if the user is interested in those refcard, probably these TeX variants are available, too. > PDF can be rendered faster than PS, is generally safer than PS (by virtue > of not being Turing-complete), is generally smaller as well, and can be > handled (e.g. searched) more easily. > > The only downside I know of PDFs is that the tools to manipulate them > (e.g. put them in 2up The pdfpages for pdfLaTeX does it. But it's not a simple as running psnup. > or copy/paste some part of it) are rather lacking in the Free > Software world. Copy/paste doesn't work worse than for PS. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/