From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 23.0.60; M-( and M-) should not be bound in ESC map Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:20:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <003801c89a85$fcd95ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <003d01c89a8f$2899fb80$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87zls22p8m.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207824501 20986 80.91.229.12 (10 Apr 2008 10:48:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:48:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 10 12:48:53 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjuKY-0007k7-C7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:48:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjuJu-0005om-Gc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjuGs-0004So-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:44:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjuGp-0004Q6-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:44:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjuGn-0004PX-IR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:44:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjuGn-0007PQ-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:44:41 -0400 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3AAia1u019356 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:44:37 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB51912FF4 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:44:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: /U7=m^"/-Dn61mAl{g9e3>\G5Tp,oEX|V)g2I1hBk\ML; )7A?6cmB-y7y?'NA^J<=oz7syB =(McAwIHgLX!.B?R3X}98d@?>CrT094KLWh]WU4gDpnL/")MS(XoQTv`Oq225uL>+; CpPXo$N5e>N> $tPd-gbB^F{gQS#1ase]XO~D4p4M"3+F-7~u]dy3I?Pb8RO*H-EFeWDUf?Rf, d]pv\Jvh2Cht!A=im yKAS2Z%Ao^;}W/qzMvMm Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87zls22p8m.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> (David Hansen's message of "Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:33:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: poseidon 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94863 Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 10 2008, David Hansen wrote: > I have bound `(' to insert pair globally. I don't know of any case > where I want non balanced parenthesis (except when writing a mail about > the use of (non) balanced parenthesis ;). `case' in shell scripts. Yes, POSIX also allow ( *.bar ), but old Bourne shells don't. case $foo in *.bar ) baz;; esac That said, I think the global bindings for M-( and M-) are the right thing. Drew Adams wrote: > It can be surprising to get an error "Unbalanced parentheses" 18, > 5795" or "Containing expression ends prematurely" or some such if you > accidentally hit M-) in the minibuffer or a text file. This is the > kind of thing that can frighten users unnecessarily. I don't think such an error is very common. More or less every unindented key stroke can cause somewhat unexpected results, but these cause no damage and I think its unlikely to type M-) accidentally: you need to hit Alt+Shift+Number, at least with US or German keyboard layout. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/