From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Gnus update (was: MH-E 7.4.4 checked in) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:20:41 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1890.1089689203@newt.com> <2914-Tue13Jul2004070451+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <3589.1089692661@newt.com> <2914-Tue13Jul2004215551+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <861xjfkpgu.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> <20040714220410.GA27263@fencepost> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1089909095 905 80.91.224.253 (15 Jul 2004 16:31:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 18:31:25 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bl98m-0006pQ-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:24 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bl98l-0001Ho-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bl9BF-0007LO-Oo for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:33:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bl9B9-0007L9-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bl9B7-0007Kw-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:33:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bl9B7-0007Kt-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:33:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bl98S-00014p-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:31:04 -0400 Original-Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bl98R-00036K-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:03 +0200 Original-Received: from dialin-212-144-128-230.arcor-ip.net ([212.144.128.230]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:03 +0200 Original-Received: from reiner.steib by dialin-212-144-128-230.arcor-ip.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-212-144-128-230.arcor-ip.net X-Face: 'bg&jY[8V'W&:=~6w"|>}#4/T; w~36ei4NNMyKRR.a$n=$|sWFPF1y]a\>6kc\*#GN]UDM| Ywv, vbL^XF1nIp\:F=$Ei2o&mEe:%N~, :3]vtQ~s9u$9izmX$IF@VgGl7/, ^dbuM<3|AO2}.%|%?kZ 2Y=@\U!~cll^=8Z9ihKq%wmUe1Ky(#kl3T'>Qk0Ia3mCBsTk?E(,X Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xp3sN9DqmI9ag4p67Wcu2GqrCac= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:25731 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:25731 On Thu, Jul 15 2004, Miles Bader wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 03:22:42PM +0200, Kim F. Storm wrote: [...] >> Don't people get along just fine with using an "unmodified" Oort Gnus >> on CVS emacs ? > > Sure (including me). ACK. Some days ago someone posted a User-Agent statistics for the German Gnus newsgroup (). It showed that many people already use Gnus 5.10 (or "No Gnus", the current development version) together with Emacs 21.3.50. > But there do seem to be `real' changes in the emacs version -- many of them > are fairly trivial (e.g., spelling corrections, or updating Gnus not to use > some obsolete feature), and there are some which appear non-trivial but > which I don't understand. [...] > If I had a better handle on which changes were really important, it would be > simpler to do as you say (and forward-port only those important changes), but > I don't really, and the sheer quantity of changes makes it hard to spend a > lot of time to analyze each one. I would assume that all *important* changes committed by Dave and ShengHuo in Emacs' CVS have also been applies in Gnus CVS. But probably this has been done after the v5-8 point which you considered upto now. > As it is, though, it's looking like no matter what I do, something will end > up broken, so the "give up and drop most of the emacs changes" approach is > looking better and better. However, I'd still like to munch on it for a > while (I haven't had much time to spend on this recently) before deciding > that. Most of the Gnus changes in Emacs were committed by Stefan Monnier, Juanma Barranquero and Andreas Schwab. If we go for this approach (I think we will have to do this eventually), I'm optimistic that these people will point it out if important changes got lost. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/