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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124172 Archived-At: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 15:27, Jason Earl wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Then what is necessary to do to make Git a GNU package? >> >> Agreeing to follow our practices on a lot of issues. =C2=A0It is most >> unlikely that Torvalds would agree. > > Does it really matter that much? =C2=A0I am certain that their are other > parts of the GNU system (like, perhaps, TeX), where the hackers in > question don't follow GNU policies. =C2=A0In fact, Bazaar doesn't complet= ely > follow GNU policies (no texinfo documentation, and no real plans to > generate it either). Git would never agree to be under the GNU umbrella. > It is likely that I am taking this too personally, but if this is an > example of how the greater GNU community supports a fellow GNU project > then I am somewhat at a loss as to why anyone would want their program > to be taken under the GNU aegis. =C2=A0It is fairly clear that GNU suppor= t > for Bazaar is skin deep at best. > > Apparently is it completely on-topic on this GNU-hosted mailing list to > disparage Bazaar, and worse, to actively discuss how to work around > using the official Bazaar repository. =C2=A0Savannah has excellent suppor= t > for git, but very poor support for Bazaar, and, like the lack of Bazaar > documentation in texinfo, that is also apparently unlikely to change in > the near future. =C2=A0Instead of actively encouraging other GNU and > Emacs-related projects to use Bazaar the Emacs project is discouraging > Bazaar use. =C2=A0The Gnus switch to git is a prime example of this effec= t. Some developers actively worked around CVS when the Emacs was in that system. People are interested in hacking Emacs using the tools they're familiar with. I don't think you need to take it personally, people just like to work with their regular tools. DVCS systems make it easy to use the system you want.