From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fixing the lisp/loaddefs.el situation Date: 23 Sep 2003 08:14:56 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <874qzhcuqf.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <878yoq7e06.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <7137-Mon22Sep2003194607+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <20030922225038.GA26980@fencepost> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1064294231 1532 80.91.224.253 (23 Sep 2003 05:17:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 23 07:17:09 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A1fXx-0000Kk-00 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:17:09 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A1fe4-0006oB-00 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:23:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A1fUB-0001al-2J for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A1fTw-0001Zt-Fx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:13:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A1fTv-0001Zi-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:12:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.232.27.5] (helo=WST0054) by monty-python.gnu.org with asmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A1fTu-0001ZZ-N8; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:12:58 -0400 Original-To: Miles Bader In-reply-to: <20030922225038.GA26980@fencepost> (message from Miles Bader on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:50:38 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16567 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16567 > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:50:38 -0400 > From: Miles Bader > > Are we still supporting 8+3 filesystems? Yes, AFAIK. At least I don't recall any decisions on dropping that support. > I ran `doschk' and it reports a bunch of violations for emacs Which ones, please? I know about 2 files in lisp/mh-e, which I reported to the maintainer and was told it will be fixed well before the current HEAD goes into pretest. If there are others, please tell. > certainly we could fix them, but it seems worthwhile to consider > whether it's worth the trouble anymore. Since the support of 8+3 systems currently doesn't impose any significant maintenance burden, I'd advise not to drop it yet. Please also note that, due to quirks in the way Windows generates short 8+3 aliases for long file names and supports both long and short names in the same session, with certain system configurations loaddefs-bootstrap.el and loaddefs.el could both point to the same file even though there are no 8+3 limitations in the filesystem; thus copying the former over the latter could overwrite the original file. (The default Windows configuration should not have this problem, but there are options in the Registry which, when set, can lead to such problems.) So keeping file names 8+3-unique is a good idea even if we drop support for building Emacs on pure DOS machines.