From: Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@member.fsf.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Spiro <jasonspiro4+news@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving by default
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:21:56 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <uzm7znrvv.fsf@member.fsf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvlkjkbluj.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:09:02 -0500")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> * to bind <F11> to some kind of buffer-switching command such as
>> iswitchb-buffer,
>
>> * and to bind <F12> to save-buffer,
>
>> by default? These are very commonly used functions, so I think it
>> is worthwhile to provide one-key access to them.
>
> Actually, I find this reasoning rather odd:
> - on the one hand, they're much less used than many other commands.
> Yes, it's very unlikely that a user would never use such commands in any
> given Emacs session, but as for frequency of use, it's not that high up
> the list.
I use 'iswitchb-buffer' a _lot_. But it is an individual preference.
> - F11 and F12 are rather far, so they're not quick. It's "one key",
> but it's not clear that it's quicker to use than C-x C-s for
> example.
I have iswitchb-buffer bound to F11, and find-file bound to F12. I
much prefer single keys (even when "far") to double keys; my wrists
have trouble reaching the control key.
Again, a very personal preference.
> This said, I think it probably makes sense to give default bindings to those
> Fn keys rather than leave them unused. We should keep them as "user
> modifiable" keys, tho (i.e. commands bound to an Fn key should also have
> a good other binding).
I agree with the goal to "make Emacs more friendly to the
newbie". But I think that is best done via menus, not more
keybindings.
I also agree that this should be considered after the release.
> I'd tend to consider the Fn keys in a similar way to menu entries or toolbar
> entries. Actually maybe a good idea would be to map toolbar entries to Fn
> keys: F2 presses the first button, F3 the second, etc...
I don't think that's helpful. If I like the toolbar, it's because I
use the mouse, so the function key bindings would just be redundant.
If I don't like the toolbar, I turn it off to allow more space for
buffer contents, so I would lose the labeling of the function keys.
--
-- Stephe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-31 15:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-30 8:47 Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving by default Jason Spiro
2007-01-30 8:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-30 10:52 ` Jason Spiro
2007-01-30 11:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-30 20:43 ` Jason Spiro
2007-01-31 1:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-31 1:55 ` Jason Spiro
2007-01-31 2:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-31 7:52 ` Andreas Roehler
2007-01-31 7:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-01-31 18:58 ` Jiri Pejchal
2007-02-01 12:35 ` Stephen Leake
2007-02-01 19:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-01-31 2:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-01 12:29 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-31 16:51 ` Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving bydefault Drew Adams
2007-02-01 0:08 ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-01 20:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-01-30 20:27 ` Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving by default Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-30 20:45 ` Jason Spiro
2007-01-30 20:25 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-30 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-31 15:21 ` Stephen Leake [this message]
2007-02-01 3:47 ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-01 1:09 ` JD Smith
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