From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Hebrew xlation of Emacs tutorial Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:16:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20070202014816.c691bb82.yotam.medini@gmail.com> <20070202172551.3a25b37f.yotam.medini@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170440227 14315 80.91.229.12 (2 Feb 2007 18:17:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yotam Medini Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 19:16:59 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HD2xt-0003Mf-61 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:16:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HD2xs-00085W-Ih for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:16:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HD2xg-00083C-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:16:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HD2xe-00081O-VY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:16:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HD2xe-00081L-Q2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HD2xe-0000B9-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-250-236.inter.net.il [80.230.250.236]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id BUB62590 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:16:25 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20070202172551.3a25b37f.yotam.medini@gmail.com> (message from Yotam Medini =?UTF-8?B?15nXldeq150g157Xk9eZ16DXmQ==?= on Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:25:51 +0200) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65784 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:25:51 +0200 > From: Yotam Medini =?UTF-8?B?15nXldeq150g157Xk9eZ16DXmQ==?= > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > While Emacs cannot display Hebrew text right, the TUTORIAL.he can > be converted to visual order. Unfortunately, visual-order Hebrew is not reliably displayed in current Emacs, either. Depending on the toolkit, sometimes the words are displayed reversed (because the toolkit applies bidi reordering when it displays strings), but once you move the cursor past them, they are converted back to the visual order. I don't want to add to Emacs anything that ugly and unreliable, sorry. > I teach a small class of kids Python programming on Gnu/Linux. > The kids' English is poor. They understand enough, so they > can type simple code - using English letters of course. > As part of the course, I teach them basic Emacs usage. I wish I could > refer them to a tutorial. So my thinking of the tutorial > translation, is to explain in Hebrew how to do English text editing. I'm afraid that currently your only option is to edit the translated tutorial in OpenOffice or some such, and then print it and use the printed copy in your classes.