From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:19:45 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040512103042.FB57.JMBARRANQUERO@wke.es> <20040611122633.5F88.JMBARRANQUERO@wke.es> <87659wd44u.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <87659wbl2q.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <20040613023944.GA13072@fencepost> <87wu2ca3tw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <20040613033452.GB27992@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1087129719 30842 80.91.224.253 (13 Jun 2004 12:28:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, Juanma Barranquero , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 13 14:28:29 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BZU69-0001bw-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:28:29 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BZU69-00019L-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:28:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BZU6z-0001hM-HT for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:29:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BZU6H-00012k-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BZU6D-00010z-0p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BZU6C-00010u-R0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:28:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [209.61.173.204] (helo=integrasp.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BZU4u-0000xQ-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:27:12 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 17351 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2004 12:04:26 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO NYAUMO) (218.145.161.27) by 66.216.96.43 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2004 12:04:26 -0000 Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20040613033452.GB27992@fencepost> (Miles Bader's message of "Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:34:52 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:24917 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:24917 Miles Bader writes: >> Please, let's not aim for perfection, that way lies madness. > > I agree, but I'm not suggesting that, merely trying to establish some > minimal standards. Purely web-based systems are non-starter. With the url library now part of Emacs, I think even a web-based system could be made usable. It just requires a volunteer to write a mode for using it from within Emacs. It would be nice to have a gateway to/from the bug mailing lists, but that would probably involve more work for sysadmins, so we could come up with some elisp functions that a few volunteers could use to enter bug reports from the mailing lists and handle replies from people like RMS who are not always online when they are dealing with bugs, so anything other than email is unusable. As for concerns about the GNU sysadmins having to maintain extra software, there is already a bug tracker on savannah which other projects are using. It is disabled for Emacs because users were being misled into reporting bugs there but the developers never used it.