From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Russian letters
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:06:57 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <uy7v4nkri.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200607081830.12937.pogonyshev@gmx.net> (message from Paul Pogonyshev on Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:30:12 +0300)
> From: Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@gmx.net>
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:30:12 +0300
> Cc: handa@m17n.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > From: Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@gmx.net>
> > > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:59:40 +0300
> > >
> > > > utf-fragment-on-decoding's value is nil
> > > >
> > > > Whether or not to decode some chars in UTF-8/16 text into iso8859 charsets.
> > > > [...]
> > >
> > > Why not do the same to the typed characters?
> >
> > Maybe it does, let's find out: how did you type those characters? Did
> > you use a Leim input method (which one?), or did you type them on your
> > keyboard?
>
> I think it is Leim input method `russian-computer'. I.e. I use `C-\' in
> Emacs to switch between US Engish and Russian keyboard layouts.
Handa-san, should Leim obey utf-fragment-on-decoding? I think it
should, but maybe there's some complication that prevents it.
> No matter how the characters are encoded, if they conceptually are
> the same, they should be displayed using the same method, no?
Ideally, yes. However, this is a harsh requirement: a font assumes a
certain encoding of a character, so Emacs cannot easily use another
font if it's for a different encoding.
> Cronyx fonts do indeed support Russian characters. However, customizing
> `default' face to use cronyx-courier for some reason influences only the
> current Emacs session. Bug?
Probably. I'll let Handa-san to answer this.
> Actually, I now see that I had this problem before and wrote about it in
> ``Pango-like font fallback (was Re: Russian numero sign)'' thread:
>
> I went to install all the fonts I could find in my Debian Sarge. And
> found cronyx-courier font, which looks nice _and_ has Cyrillic
> characters. However, when I customize the default face in Emacs and
> set that font family, latin characters are still displayed in
> adobe-courier (though Cyrillic ones are shown in cronyx-courier)...
> And the customization doesn't take any effect after I restart Emacs...
> Any ideas?
>
> Kenichi Handa answered:
>
> Perhaps that because you don't have
> -cronyx-courier-...-iso8859-1. Emacs by default uses an
> iso8859-1 font for ASCII. To change it, you must create a
> proper fontset by one of these ways: [...]
>
> How an average user is supposed to find it is beyond me.
They shouldn't. But I think Debian should add a -cronyx-courier font
for Latin-1, because without that Emacs is broken for Cyrillic
scripts. Or maybe there's some other Unicode font that covers both
Cyrillic and Latin-1.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-08 16:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-05 18:10 Russian letters Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-05 18:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-07-05 21:43 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-05 22:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-07-05 22:21 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-05 22:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-07-06 15:59 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-06 16:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-07-06 18:17 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-06 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-06 3:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-06 15:56 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-06 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-06 20:27 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-06 20:38 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-07 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-06 21:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-06 21:48 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-07 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-07 19:59 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-08 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-08 15:30 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2006-07-08 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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