From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 11:55:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <6193374b-a60d-ba82-91b5-afdede18e3bb@yandex.ru> <72871d3a-3b6a-d6fd-01cc-4248f817923c@yandex.ru> <801f93f3-8c1f-5f5f-6351-e1169bc309ae@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35009"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Jean Louis , ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 11:56:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxSy4-0008yw-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 11:56:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35610 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxSy3-0007GI-Mo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 05:56:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48068) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxSxA-0006GW-NN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 05:55:40 -0500 Original-Received: from woodpecker.gentoo.org ([2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]:48105 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxSx8-00050H-I0; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 05:55:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2021 02:49:31 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4; envelope-from=ulm@gentoo.org; helo=smtp.gentoo.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262665 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021, Richard Stallman wrote: > I see two ways we could possibly manage to use repology.org in the > Free World. > * Find a way to distinguish free from nonfree packages. I see two > ideas One is to snarf the lists of free packages from Debian and > Parabola. Another is to see if free packages list a license that > shows they are free. You might have other ideas. > * Ask the developer of repology.org to work with us to indicate which > packages are free, maybe even provide a way to specify "show me only > free packages". One would first have to define what qualifies as a free package, and the world isn't all black-or-white there. For example, the tarball of org-mode as released by upstream [1] contains Relax-NG schemas [2] distributed under a license that doesn't allow modification. Does that make org-mode a non-free package? The way we handle this in Gentoo is not to install these non-free components by default. Users however have the option to enable their installation if they do two things: a) set a so-called USE flag, and b) explicitly accept these components' license. Another example is the intlfonts package [3], which contains some Tibetan fonts with a non-commercial restriction. Again, Gentoo handles this with a USE flag, so users have to explicitly ask for installation of these non-free fonts. There are many more packages like that, and I don't believe that one could simply divide them into free and non-free by just taking the package name. It will depend on what the distro does when installing them or creating a binary package from them. [1] https://orgmode.org/org-9.4.tar.gz [2] in directory etc/schema/ [3] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Intlfonts