From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reducing mouse-dependency In Emacs. Date: 11 Aug 2003 08:04:27 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200308100342.h7A3gXV19877@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200308101650.h7AGovxS005131@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200308102309.h7AN9O420410@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1060578247 4011 80.91.224.253 (11 Aug 2003 05:04:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 11 07:04:05 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19m4qj-0004v3-00 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:04:05 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19m4xq-0003fJ-00 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:11:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19m4qB-0000TL-9q for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:03:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19m4pt-0000RI-Il for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19m4pN-0008Ss-Rq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:03:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.232.27.5] (helo=WST0054) by monty-python.gnu.org with asmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19m4pN-0008Ry-Ce; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:02:41 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200308102309.h7AN9O420410@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:09:24 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15875 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15875 > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:09:24 -0500 (CDT) > From: Luc Teirlinck > > In as far as an option to automatically display the help-echo text on > "point-over" is concerned, I told Eli, who suggested the same thing, > this morning that it would be a good idea, but after actually > implementing it, I completely changed my mind. I found all that text > popping up in the echo area very distracting. Most of it was of the > "mouse-2: do something you do not want to do" type. Why is this distracting? A user who turns such a feature on must be knowing what they are doing. For example, I assume a blind person _wants_ this info to be spelled by the speech synthesizer; otherwise, how would she know about these properties sitting around the text? (I assume that your implementation waits for some amount of time before it displays the text in the echo area, so the text is shown only if one dwells long enough on the text covered by the property.)