From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs unconditionally loads tramp.el Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:31:17 +0300 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1146414934 23368 80.91.229.2 (30 Apr 2006 16:35:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 30 18:35:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaEtP-0004EX-0V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:35:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaEtO-0002BK-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FaEtD-0002Ax-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:35:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FaEtC-0002Ac-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:35:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaEtC-0002AZ-Lp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:35:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FaEwp-0004xo-Av for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.20] (helo=nitzan.inter.net.il) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaEtB-0003NQ-AB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:35:18 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-45-104.inter.net.il [80.230.45.104]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id DFZ63218 (AUTH halo1); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:31:15 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53670 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:18:55 -0700 > > Sounds like a good argument for keeping ange-ftp as the Emacs default, until > tramp supports Windows (and other platforms, if appropriate) seamlessly. > That was my point. But Tramp does work on Windows, at least for me, with plink as the SSH client. Unless others say that plink, too, has problems, which aren't seen on Posix platforms, I don't see why we should advise Windows users to use a different setup. (Also note that ange-ftp is now Tramp's back end, and so fetching by FTP should work as well as it did in previous versions. We are not discussing FTP methods, we are discussing SSH, which is not supported by ange-ftp at all, and so there's no alternative to Tramp there.) > I doubt that many Windows users even consider a prospect of accessing > remote files. > > I think you are wrong about Windows users these days (and perhaps more wrong > tomorrow). Did you read the part about developers at large companies having > a Windows box in their cubicle and using remote (who knows where?) GNU/Linux > boxes for their development? My day job is with a large company, where almost all code developers use Windows as their desktop OS and either Windows or GNU/Linux as the target OS. So I'm speaking from experience, not from theory. > Tramp is an important feature to fix, especially if it is to be the default. Please try plink when you have time. It works quite well for me. (And generally PuTTY is a wonderful package, IMHO. I am using it for several years, and I have yet to see a single serious bug or misfeature. Since I have it installed, I never looked back on the Cygwin ports of ssh.)