From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs floating point error during dump? Date: 12 Jul 2003 20:30:36 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200307081321.h68DLnC3009346@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200307091344.h69DiZXj014067@rum.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1058056393 19567 80.91.224.249 (13 Jul 2003 00:33:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 13 02:33:09 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19bUnd-00055C-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:33:09 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19bV09-0003Qu-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:46:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19bUms-000315-KQ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19bUmT-0002Xf-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:31:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19bUlp-0000Tr-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:31:48 -0400 Original-Received: from out006pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.106] helo=out006.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19bUlF-0007QZ-As; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:30:41 -0400 Original-Received: from WINSTEINGOLDLAP ([151.199.17.220]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030713003039.HQXM16647.out006.verizon.net@WINSTEINGOLDLAP>; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:30:39 -0500 Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.199.17.220] at Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:30:38 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15571 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15571 > * In message > * On the subject of "Re: emacs floating point error during dump?" > * Sent on Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:11:28 -0400 > * Honorable Richard Stallman writes: > > it is unthinkable to be lax about it. > > I have no difficulty thinking it. You need to stretch your mind. You need to learn either English or manners. If your problem is indeed English, let me rephrase: When talking about code, you rightfully insist on having the correct solution, not just "half correct" or "mostly correct". Why do you settle for half-solutions with the build infrastructure? > you already wasted more of your time on this discussion than you > (or, rather, _your computer_!) would have spent on un-necessary > recompilations; so your approach is a total loss. > > Recompilation of all of Emacs seems to take around ten minutes on my > computer. For a $1,000 you can get a machine which will do that in 1 min. I am sure FSF can afford that. Note that the recompilation is done by the machine, so the time is cheap, as opposed to the time spent by humans debugging and reporting these errors that stem from your intentional sloppiness. > I have not spent anywhere near ten minutes on this discussion. ... yet. This issue will come back to haunt you until it is fixed. Actually, this is at least the third time in the last year when this is being debated. Did you factor in those instance too? -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k People hear what they want to hear and discard the rest.