From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:41:19 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: References: <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <32f6a2ce-e30f-059f-dcd4-233d666a10a1@yandex.ru> <87r1whiape.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87blnjopd0.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <83v9lregx0.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgguh9we.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83mu72ckjr.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8rhpeym.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83eesdb37v.fsf@gnu.org> <835zdpb0et.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="71889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (windows-nt) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xqrseulu4xAtfGBjii3MkqlWp6o= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 21:42:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgEI-000IYG-2t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:42:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52516 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgEH-000633-5h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:42:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60394) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgDn-0005Zm-ID for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:42:15 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:37084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgDl-0004t9-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:42:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgDj-000Hsv-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 21:42:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=159.69.161.202; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/15 15:28:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250420 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii : > Then it seems like I was right: there's no need for users who want to > produce documents with Org to be proficient in the Org syntax. Right? Yes it's probably sufficient to know the commands and let the text flow the way it likes. (I.e. pretty much the way AUCTeX works. I know people back in the 80-ies and 90-ies who needed to write LaTeX and became emacs users solely becaause of AUCTeX) (in both cases, understanding the syntax helps both in understanding what goes on, and in navigating)