From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:06:29 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: References: <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191D6B.8040405@yandex.ru> <838u7assvj.fsf@gnu.org> <561A3582.5080806@yandex.ru> <561A3756.1010404@gmx.at> <561A41CA.6060908@yandex.ru> <87io6c5ov5.fsf@gmail.com> <83bnc4ozf9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444673171 31184 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2015 18:06:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:06:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 20:06:03 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhU2-0007DB-6F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:06:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57846 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhU1-0000Lt-Fx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:06:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39991) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhTk-0000LT-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhTf-0005p5-Tp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:05:43 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhTf-0005op-BJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhTd-0006nN-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:05:37 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.208.248.210.getinternet.no ([84.208.248.210]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:05:37 +0200 Original-Received: from sb by cm-84.208.248.210.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:05:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.208.248.210.getinternet.no Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pE2MrYqRAK6nzCpGXLSV3fyRx5c= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191375 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii : > IMO, we should support both the "traditional" Emacs style, and the > style users expect because other IDEs provide them. As a long-time emacs user that uses IDEs these days, I don't need emacs to look like an IDE to go back to using it for all programming. I need the functionality I'm missing when I'm back in emacs: - run tests interactively and get easy-to-navigate feedback from failing tests - completion (I plan to check out company mode that I learned about from this thread) - navigation, most used: - go to definition of a symbol - go to usages of a symbol - go to derived symbols (in languages with inheritance) - go base symbols (ditto) - for refactoring, renaming support would cover >90% of what I use, other refactoring support I use, are: - copy/cut/paste of methods and other class members from a outline (maybe that's already supported these days?) - move members up and down in class hierarchies (I don't use this all that much, but it's nice to have when I need it) That's all I can think about, offhand.