From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:49:42 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> <857ib83bdb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217091060 5557 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 16:51:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 18:51:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMmzl-00024V-8V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:51:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34664 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmyr-0001qn-Fj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:50:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmyn-0001qW-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:50:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmym-0001qJ-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:50:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57045 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMmym-0001qG-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:50:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout6.012.net.il ([84.95.2.16]:9829) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMmyi-0003hc-89; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:50:44 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.123.9]) by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K4M007R2HEZVML0@i-mtaout6.012.net.il>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:49:47 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <857ib83bdb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101541 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > if [my parents or spouse] choose to use a system for which I am not > willing or able to do support. It just means that they are on their own > with it, nothing more, nothing less. Shouldn't you argue with them and condemn them as being unethical and immoral? If not, why won't you leave me and Juanma ``on our own''? > And frankly, my abilities for support on a machine where I can't use ssh > for remote access would be quite limited, anyway. You can install ssh on Windows. And Windows has its built-in ways of remote access out of the box. Though I can hardly believe that this piece of technical knowledge will change your views, so I wonder why you raise this issue at all. > So if your goal is to improve Emacs on Windows I said the goal is improving Emacs. All the rest is your invention. > > Let's not put that goal in jeopardy by emphasizing minor (yes, minor!) > > differences between us on how soon and how completely should each > > private citizen switch to using Free Software and Free Software alone. > > That never was the issue. The issue is more like what we have to gain > by having more and more software developers distracted by spending much > of their time working on supporting non-free platforms or dealing with > the consequences of such support. Please do yourself a favor and stop caring about how others spend their time. You have little if any control of that; in my experience it's better to be grateful for whatever time they find to contribute to goals that I consider worthy. And while at that, how about spending all the effort and time taken by responding to each and every article in this discussion on hacking Emacs?