From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD Date: 02 Dec 2003 08:42:18 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <8765heixvu.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <87ptfkdqss.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <20031122214251.GA14680@fencepost> <874qwuqjzw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200311241619.hAOGJ6W27027@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070356287 12102 80.91.224.253 (2 Dec 2003 09:11:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, epameinondas@gmx.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk, bob@rattlesnake.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 02 10:11:22 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AR6Z0-0003xX-00 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:11:22 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AR6Z0-0001DD-00 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:11:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AR7PM-0003LO-Jo for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:05:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AR5YB-0001qD-RO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:06:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AR5TI-0000ib-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:01:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [207.232.27.5] (helo=WST0054) by monty-python.gnu.org with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AR5AG-0006G2-9d; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:41:44 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200311241619.hAOGJ6W27027@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:19:06 -0600 (CST)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18265 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18265 > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:19:06 -0600 (CST) > From: Luc Teirlinck > > Take (elisp)Locales as an example. The texinfo source contains: > > @xref{Locales,,, libc, GNU Libc Manual}, for more information about > locales and locale items. > > With Info-hide-note-references set to t this gives: > > See Locales for more information about locales and locale items. > > "Locales" is the node we are looking at. We could as well treat this as a case of unfortunate wording in the ELisp manual. The above sentence could be modified to solve the problem at hand: The GNU C library manual (@pxref{Locales,,, libc, GNU Libc Manual}) has more information about locales and locale items. I notice in passing that a reference to a manual that might not be installed at all, because it describes a library that is only used by some platforms, might not be a good idea for purely didactic reasons: suppose my system doesn't use glibc---how would I learn more about Locales without the manual being available? More generally, if the underlying C library is something other than glibc, I might wonder whether the discussion in the glibc manual is at all relevant to the treatment of locales I will see on my system. So the offending sentence seems to be a rather singular case that, as worded, is troubled to begin with. We might as well not develop any theories based on it.