From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLog fontifications Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:31:47 -0400 Organization: disorganization Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200405132050.00109.bruno@clisp.org> <871xloxezs.fsf@wesley.springies.com> <20040513.233755.258207743.wl@gnu.org> <20040513215623.GA14133@fencepost> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084553262 22256 80.91.224.253 (14 May 2004 16:47:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bruno Haible Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 14 18:47:22 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BOfqD-0004xb-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:47:21 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BOfqD-0002tC-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:47:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BOfpq-0001w3-7L for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BOfka-0000E7-Mo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:41:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BOfS1-0003jv-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BOef8-00085C-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:31:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BOef7-0000Mg-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:31:49 +0200 Original-Received: from fw-ext.alphatech.com ([198.112.236.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:31:49 +0200 Original-Received: from sds by fw-ext.alphatech.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:31:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: fw-ext.alphatech.com X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:57z9OxxnbnxCvUNz9PvwCxlVJ0Q= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23408 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23408 > * Miles Bader [2004-05-13 17:56:23 -0400]: > >> What on earth was the reason to invent such a convention? > > Because (1) it's more friendly to line-oriented parsers (like font-lock, but > also external tools [*]), and (2) it looks quite nice. > > [*] Indeed, rather _more_ important for external tools, because many unix > scripting languages &c are quite line-oriented, more so that emacs is. what are those tools? why those who use them do not complain that they do not work with some ChangeLog files? I suspect that either there are no such tools or nobody uses them anymore (otherwise the current situation would be impossible). At any rate, the current state of affairs is broken: either the ChangeLog standard described in is obsolete (since is it widely ignored) and must be changed - together with the Emacs ChangeLog mode, or it should be enforced, e.g., by adding a script to savannah cvs which will reject ChangeLog commits that do not comply with the standard. -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k There's always free cheese in a mouse trap.